Monday, April 30, 2007

Critique Groups, Workshops, etc.

Most of the writers (published and unpublished) I've spoken to over the years have tried a variety of tricks and techniques to help them overcome obstacles in the way of their success. Among the recommendations I hear most commonly are "find a critique group" and "take a workshop."

I've done both. Actually, I've done both more than once. And my experiences have been about as wide-ranging as you can possibly imagine. Just as there are good, bad, and ugly agents, and good, bad, and ugly editors, so there are good, bad, and ugly critique groups and workshops.

Workshops are a bigger investment because they can be quite expensive, so you want to do considerable research before you take one. For example, when I was looking for a workshop the first thing I did was Google "writing workshop New York City." (I don't live in the city, but I knew I wasn't going to find one near me -- chances are, you will need to look at the closest large city to find a workshop.) The first link was to the Gotham Writers' Workshop. They proudly say that Forbes lists them as "best of the web" for writing classes. Actually, they're the only writing classes Forbes lists. The section is "continuing education" and the article refers solely to the online branch of Gotham, but the recommendation is impressive nonetheless.

Since I didn't want to take online classes, I asked around about the offline classes and got very varied responses. The short version is that everything depends on the teacher. Unfortunately, you don't know who your teacher will be until you pay your fee and show up at the class. Given the price of the courses, that scared me off.

Eventually I found a workshop by a published author who had been reviewed many times in both her writing life and her workshop life. She offered everything from 3 hour workshops to 10-week classes, so I started with the 3-hour one. Although at the end of the class I was uncertain how useful it had been, by the end of the following week I found myself completely revitalized. So recently, when my writing was becoming more a chore than a joy, I signed up for the full-day workshop. To say it was useless would be an understatement.

Naturally, I found this experiencing extremely frustrating. But I learned an important lesson: ask, ask, ask. Before I took the short class, I asked around. Having taken that one, I assumed the longer class would be just as useful. But when I asked around after the longer class, I could tell from how people described the format that I would not enjoy it. So if you're interested in a workshop and don't know anyone who's taken it, ask the teacher for the emails of students who've taken the workshop and don't ask them "was it good," ask "what did you do?" (The teacher may or may not be able to describe what the exercises are, but the students will be able to fill you in.)

Critique groups usually don't have fees associated with them, so trying out several is easier. But in some ways, finding one that's a good fit is even more difficult than it is with workshops. There are several factors involved in finding the right group for you, and I've quit groups because of all of them.


  • Do you all have the same goals?
    - if you want to be published, you don't want a group where others just want motivation to keep writing
  • Do you all have similar levels of expertise?
    - you don't want to be the "teacher", who always ends up helping other members without getting useful feedback, but you also don't want to feel as if you're dragging the group down or being a burden to the other members
  • Do you want to critique only others in your genre, or do you want multiple types of writing represented in your group?
    - I feel competent to critique mysteries, romances, chick lit, thrillers, and possibly young adult. I don't, however, feel as if I can be useful to anyone who writes "literary" fiction, sci-fi, fantasy, non-fiction or poetry. And I don't enjoy reading those genres, so I don't want to have to do so every couple of weeks.
  • Do you have the same critique style as others in the group?
    - I am a fairly straightforward critic. I don't like making notes on someone's work "gently," nor do I take offense when other people are harsh in their statements about my work. I don't say "look, you idiot...," but I do circle grammatical mistakes, write "awk" in margins, write things like "why would she say something like that? It makes no sense." I don't want to make anyone cry.


I'm planning on leaving the critique group I am currently in, mostly because a third of the group writes sci-fi. The one sci-fi author I've critiqued said he found my comments useful, but I've decided I just don't want to read it anymore. I'm also too busy these days to participate in any meaningful fashion.

All this is not to say that you shouldn't join a critique group or take a workshop--both can be exceedingly useful and insipring. But most of us have limited time and limited funds so we need to be very careful how we use them.

7 comments:

Clare2e said...

Great post on a topic that excites strong responses.

I believe a good group which helps you write the book you're trying to write is a treasure. I get usable notes from grammar to story structure and I freely disregard whatever I choose. Each person seems to have an area of special talent and insight, so by draft's end, I feel I've really examined my decisions from macro to micro issues. That said, it takes a fair amount of letting people drop in and out and seeing who sticks, provides value, and appreciates the style of a particular group. I understand completely how an awful group experience (usually among people unready to provide or receive constructive, substantive critique) can sour someone forever.

I love my two groups- one of which I founded here in NYC and one I maintain from Chicago by conference call- but both required time and trial-and-error before finding a chemistry of writers and contributions that work for us.

If a writer feels stagnation or a loss of perspective, and wants the regularity of a group to help spur production, I'd say give a group a try even if a previous attempt wasn't magic. Authors I know, both pub'd and not, go through phases where they find either groups or solitude more useful for where they are in their careers and writing evolution. I think workshops, which I haven't done much with, and groups, which I have, probably each have a place and time, and are especially good back-pocket ideas when you're feeling tragically bored and/or stuck.

Nan Higginson said...

Really interesting piece - especially since I'm the Guppy Critique Group Coordinator. Trying to organize groups according to subgenres and writers' needs is challenging. Some of the groups stay together forever, but most last only as long as the specific needs are being met.

This is a topic I'll be hitting on, too - at some point in time!

Dawn said...

bxhhvgmI have a paranoid horror of letting anyone see drafts. I'm sure they'll think I'm a total idiot so I have stayed away from critique groups. I do hear about people having 'beta' readers and that sounds useful. My publisher was the first person other than me to read my story and even I can see that isn't ideal.

Dawn said...

Oops! I really do need a beta reader. That jumble of letters at beginning of previous post was my failed attempt at word verification. I swear they save the tricky ones just for me!

jamie ford said...

I love my group, but not for the critiquing (they're waaaay too polite). I like it because it helps to motivate me to write on the days I'm tired, stressed, busy and otherwise just don't feel like it.

I've been to several workshop groups or varying degrees, and honestly have never been disappointed. But, I did find people who had been before who gave me the scoop so I knew what to expect.

Pauline B Jones said...

I do think it is useful to get together with other writers, whether it is at a conference or at workshops. You'll get more information about the business in a personal setting, particularly the insider stuff that people are sometimes reluctant to put down in writing.

As for critique groups, they've never worked for me. I have, I guess you would call it a beta reader. She's a friend who reads my stuff when I have about 80% of a first draft. I don't like letting anyone see my stuff too early in the process. It seems to kill the muse or something.

I do think it is important, if you do work with a group, that they help you build your voice, rather than dilute it. You don't need someone who tells you how THEY'D do it, just someone who will tell you to make it better.

Pauline B. Jones
www.paulinebjones.com

Lois Karlin said...

I rely - hugely - on both my critique group and writing workshops. As for the former, I feel incredibly lucky to have landed among kindred spirits. Wise, talented, and each one unique in her approach to writing. Before I wrote fiction I attended workshops at the Hudson Writers' Center in Sleepy Hollow, NY. As for fiction classes...I've found some great workshops online. They're quite cheap, so I don't mind so much if one isn't terribly helpful. Only one was so trivial that I wanted my money back. I didn't waste much time with it and was offered a free class in its place. Interestingly, my one really awful experience with an online fiction class was with Gotham.